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  • Mark Cerny is once again the Lead System Architect.

  • 8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.

  • Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.

  • Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade.

  • Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC:
    Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation.

  • Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.

  • New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').

  • Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).

  • Physical Media.

  • Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.

  • Four years in development so far.

  • 2020.
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  • Mark Cerny is once again the Lead System Architect.

  • 8 core AMD 7nm Zen 2 based on third generation Ryzen.

  • Ray-tracing support with custom AMD Navi GPU.

  • Custom AMD unit for 3D Audio, also aided by ray-tracing, a big upgrade.

  • Extremely fast high-end custom SSD storage faster than any solution currently available for PC:
    Spider-Man load times on PS4 Pro: 15 seconds → 0.8 seconds on next-gen PlayStation.

  • Technically supports 8K but Cerny demoed Spider-Man load speed improvements on a 4K screen.

  • New Virtual Reality platform strongly hinted at but also supports current PSVR (meaning millions of VR users 'day one').

  • Death Stranding might be a cross-gen title (speculation in article based on Cerny reply).

  • Physical Media.

  • Backwards Compatible with at least PS4.

  • Four years in development so far.

  • 2020.
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Backwards compatibility is a huge plus for me and something I cared more about than any of the hardware specs for the PS5. In an ideal world, it would play games from every PlayStation system so that I don't need to keep out a PS3 and a PS2 to play their respective libraries, but I'll take whatever BC I can get.

SSD is great just for the load times. My only concern is that if it's custom, that means that swapping it out for something bigger would be a downgrade in terms of performance. Hopefully Sony gives the PS5 a decent storage size at launch so that changing it doesn't need to be an option. I'd like Sony to offer the SSD's on the market so you could buy a bigger one of theirs if you need it without having to lose out on speeds.

8K support is good to future proof it, although it'll probably take some time into the systems life cycle to have a considerable number of people using the 8K capabilities since people need to buy 8K TV's first.

If 4K/8K is a thing, I expect HDR to be in too. It'd be weird for it to not be, especially since the PS4 Pro has it.

PSVR working with it out of the box is great news. The worst thing Sony could do to that growing market is force everyone back to square one.

Given that remastering games for PS5 will be out of the question now due to BC, I wonder if instead we'll see games getting enhancements for it instead. I can imagine a Sony reveal for the PS5 showing an existing PS4 Pro game being shown on PS5 with improvements to the visuals alongside the load times that will improve regardless of tweaks to the game or not.
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Backwards compatibility is a huge plus for me and something I cared more about than any of the hardware specs for the PS5. In an ideal world, it would play games from every PlayStation system so that I don't need to keep out a PS3 and a PS2 to play their respective libraries, but I'll take whatever BC I can get.

SSD is great just for the load times. My only concern is that if it's custom, that means that swapping it out for something bigger would be a downgrade in terms of performance. Hopefully Sony gives the PS5 a decent storage size at launch so that changing it doesn't need to be an option. I'd like Sony to offer the SSD's on the market so you could buy a bigger one of theirs if you need it without having to lose out on speeds.

8K support is good to future proof it, although it'll probably take some time into the systems life cycle to have a considerable number of people using the 8K capabilities since people need to buy 8K TV's first.

If 4K/8K is a thing, I expect HDR to be in too. It'd be weird for it to not be, especially since the PS4 Pro has it.

PSVR working with it out of the box is great news. The worst thing Sony could do to that growing market is force everyone back to square one.

Given that remastering games for PS5 will be out of the question now due to BC, I wonder if instead we'll see games getting enhancements for it instead. I can imagine a Sony reveal for the PS5 showing an existing PS4 Pro game being shown on PS5 with improvements to the visuals alongside the load times that will improve regardless of tweaks to the game or not.
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Well there’s still a ton we do not know. If they can do PS1-3 BC they probably want to save that as a big announcement at the formal unveiling at least I’m hoping. So far everything is sounding good. I like that the developed tech even PC isn’t capable of yet as far as the SSD speeds. Will be interesting to see how they achieve that.

Thing is, is $399 doesn’t look possible with all of this. The PS4 was using several year old CPU tech when it came out. This is using stuff that’s coming out this year. At a minimum they’ll want to double ram to 16gb but even without that knowledge the CPU and GPU is going to be hard to wrap up at $399. I think that $499 rumor could be true. Maybe $449. Good thing is I can sell my Pro and a few games for $200 and take a big chunk out of the cost since it plays my games and supports the old VR headset.
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Well there’s still a ton we do not know. If they can do PS1-3 BC they probably want to save that as a big announcement at the formal unveiling at least I’m hoping. So far everything is sounding good. I like that the developed tech even PC isn’t capable of yet as far as the SSD speeds. Will be interesting to see how they achieve that.

Thing is, is $399 doesn’t look possible with all of this. The PS4 was using several year old CPU tech when it came out. This is using stuff that’s coming out this year. At a minimum they’ll want to double ram to 16gb but even without that knowledge the CPU and GPU is going to be hard to wrap up at $399. I think that $499 rumor could be true. Maybe $449. Good thing is I can sell my Pro and a few games for $200 and take a big chunk out of the cost since it plays my games and supports the old VR headset.
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Quote: In an ideal world, it would play games from every PlayStation system so that I don't need to keep out a PS3

Unfortunately this will likely never happen. The architecture of the PS3 is completely different than that of the PS4 and what the PS5 will be. This is what made it so difficult for companies to port PS3 games to other systems other than the Vita (and a lot of times they just had to build new versions from the ground up), and is the main reason why the PS4 is unable to read PS3 discs.

Quote: I'd like Sony to offer the SSD's on the market so you could buy a bigger one of theirs if you need it without having to lose out on speeds.

Be careful what you wish for. Remember, Sony massively overvalues their own products. Prime example is how a 128 GB Vita Memory Card was $130+ unless you were lucky enough to find one in a massive sale. That's over half of what the Vita itself cost. So if Sony were to sell their own SSDs on the market, you could probably expect them to come with a massive price tag.

Anyways, the specs of the PS5 seem impressive. Unfortunately Sony's continued stance on their horrible new policies kill any hype over it.
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Quote: In an ideal world, it would play games from every PlayStation system so that I don't need to keep out a PS3

Unfortunately this will likely never happen. The architecture of the PS3 is completely different than that of the PS4 and what the PS5 will be. This is what made it so difficult for companies to port PS3 games to other systems other than the Vita (and a lot of times they just had to build new versions from the ground up), and is the main reason why the PS4 is unable to read PS3 discs.

Quote: I'd like Sony to offer the SSD's on the market so you could buy a bigger one of theirs if you need it without having to lose out on speeds.

Be careful what you wish for. Remember, Sony massively overvalues their own products. Prime example is how a 128 GB Vita Memory Card was $130+ unless you were lucky enough to find one in a massive sale. That's over half of what the Vita itself cost. So if Sony were to sell their own SSDs on the market, you could probably expect them to come with a massive price tag.

Anyways, the specs of the PS5 seem impressive. Unfortunately Sony's continued stance on their horrible new policies kill any hype over it.
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(Apr 17th, 2019, 01:39 AM)Metallix Wrote:
Thing is, is $399 doesn’t look possible with all of this. The PS4 was using several year old CPU tech when it came out. This is using stuff that’s coming out this year. At a minimum they’ll want to double ram to 16gb but even without that knowledge the CPU and GPU is going to be hard to wrap up at $399. I think that $499 rumor could be true. Maybe $449.
Yeah, $399 isn't likely to happen. $499 is going to be hard to swallow like it was for the PS3, but at least here it feels like the money is worth it due to the hardware involved.

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I'd like Sony to offer the SSD's on the market so you could buy a bigger one of theirs if you need it without having to lose out on speeds.

Be careful what you wish for. Remember, Sony massively overvalues their own products. Prime example is how a 128 GB Vita Memory Card was $130+ unless you were lucky enough to find one in a massive sale. That's over half of what the Vita itself cost. So if Sony were to sell their own SSDs on the market, you could probably expect them to come with a massive price tag.
True. If they released their own SSD's but with horrific pricing, then I'd rather take the hit to my performance and buy something cheaper if I really had to. If need be I'll just use an external HDD/SSD to store game data that I'm not using and have my current games stored in the system itself, unless game installs become substantially quicker due to the SSD.
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(Apr 17th, 2019, 01:39 AM)Metallix Wrote:
Thing is, is $399 doesn’t look possible with all of this. The PS4 was using several year old CPU tech when it came out. This is using stuff that’s coming out this year. At a minimum they’ll want to double ram to 16gb but even without that knowledge the CPU and GPU is going to be hard to wrap up at $399. I think that $499 rumor could be true. Maybe $449.
Yeah, $399 isn't likely to happen. $499 is going to be hard to swallow like it was for the PS3, but at least here it feels like the money is worth it due to the hardware involved.

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I'd like Sony to offer the SSD's on the market so you could buy a bigger one of theirs if you need it without having to lose out on speeds.

Be careful what you wish for. Remember, Sony massively overvalues their own products. Prime example is how a 128 GB Vita Memory Card was $130+ unless you were lucky enough to find one in a massive sale. That's over half of what the Vita itself cost. So if Sony were to sell their own SSDs on the market, you could probably expect them to come with a massive price tag.
True. If they released their own SSD's but with horrific pricing, then I'd rather take the hit to my performance and buy something cheaper if I really had to. If need be I'll just use an external HDD/SSD to store game data that I'm not using and have my current games stored in the system itself, unless game installs become substantially quicker due to the SSD.
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Honestly, I can very well see the launch price of the PS5 being upwards of $699 (even $799 wouldn't surprise me). If they are going to put in a bunch of custom parts, it's going to drive the price of the system up by a significant amount. If they were to release this at $499 or $599, it'd make me worry where they made cuts to lower the cost of the system.

The number one thing that makes me believe this thing is going to have a hefty price tag is the fact that they are putting a part into it that people can't even get for their PCs. Is Sony is going to spend that much money into powering the PS5, they are going to need to make it up some where.
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Honestly, I can very well see the launch price of the PS5 being upwards of $699 (even $799 wouldn't surprise me). If they are going to put in a bunch of custom parts, it's going to drive the price of the system up by a significant amount. If they were to release this at $499 or $599, it'd make me worry where they made cuts to lower the cost of the system.

The number one thing that makes me believe this thing is going to have a hefty price tag is the fact that they are putting a part into it that people can't even get for their PCs. Is Sony is going to spend that much money into powering the PS5, they are going to need to make it up some where.
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(Apr 17th, 2019, 08:42 PM)Moonface Wrote:
Yeah, $399 isn't likely to happen. $499 is going to be hard to swallow like it was for the PS3, but at least here it feels like the money is worth it due to the hardware involved.

Nah I don’t think it’ll be anything at all like PS3 sticker shock. I was doing some checking on buying power(US dollar wise) and $599 in 2006 is the equivalent to $756 in today’s money. That’s over $250 more than the rumored $500 launch price. Another interesting fact is $299 in 1995(PS1 launch) is worth exactly $499 today. Also, at least in America, the economy is really strong. PS3 launched at the start of our Great Recession.
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(Apr 17th, 2019, 08:42 PM)Moonface Wrote:
Yeah, $399 isn't likely to happen. $499 is going to be hard to swallow like it was for the PS3, but at least here it feels like the money is worth it due to the hardware involved.

Nah I don’t think it’ll be anything at all like PS3 sticker shock. I was doing some checking on buying power(US dollar wise) and $599 in 2006 is the equivalent to $756 in today’s money. That’s over $250 more than the rumored $500 launch price. Another interesting fact is $299 in 1995(PS1 launch) is worth exactly $499 today. Also, at least in America, the economy is really strong. PS3 launched at the start of our Great Recession.
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The economy is better than it was during the PS3 launch for sure; I just think that compared to the PS4 price tag that $499 would still be a bit hard to stomach because of it being $100 more than the last system. Then again, no one seemed to mind about the cost of a PS4 Pro.

My point on it being hard to swallow was more just people wanting it to be cheaper because the higher the launch cost is, the more likely I think it is that people will wait until a price drop occurs. Why would I spend $500 on a day-one console when I could wait a year for the library to bulk out a bit and grab the thing cheaper due to an official price drop or a Black Friday deal? I know that argument can be made for any console at any price, but I think the higher you go, the higher the chances also go that people will wait for a better deal, especially when we all know such deals are guaranteed to happen.
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The economy is better than it was during the PS3 launch for sure; I just think that compared to the PS4 price tag that $499 would still be a bit hard to stomach because of it being $100 more than the last system. Then again, no one seemed to mind about the cost of a PS4 Pro.

My point on it being hard to swallow was more just people wanting it to be cheaper because the higher the launch cost is, the more likely I think it is that people will wait until a price drop occurs. Why would I spend $500 on a day-one console when I could wait a year for the library to bulk out a bit and grab the thing cheaper due to an official price drop or a Black Friday deal? I know that argument can be made for any console at any price, but I think the higher you go, the higher the chances also go that people will wait for a better deal, especially when we all know such deals are guaranteed to happen.
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So I am pretty excited that my PS4 library will be compatible with this! I am so happy that they decided to actually do this! Thank god! Now I don't have to feel like it not worth buying a PS4 game becasue it can run on my future PS5! As for the other stuff I think it seem like a major improvement over the PS4 and I am not quite sure if I am worried about them overpricing it if they do.....then I really think they are going to hurt themselves in the long run and unless they had tons of exclusive at launch they are going to crash and burn.

Now it also possible that the console might not be that bad, but the controllers and accessories will be bad one of the best example is Nintendo! Joycon are ridiculously expensive for what you get, but they get away with it.
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So I am pretty excited that my PS4 library will be compatible with this! I am so happy that they decided to actually do this! Thank god! Now I don't have to feel like it not worth buying a PS4 game becasue it can run on my future PS5! As for the other stuff I think it seem like a major improvement over the PS4 and I am not quite sure if I am worried about them overpricing it if they do.....then I really think they are going to hurt themselves in the long run and unless they had tons of exclusive at launch they are going to crash and burn.

Now it also possible that the console might not be that bad, but the controllers and accessories will be bad one of the best example is Nintendo! Joycon are ridiculously expensive for what you get, but they get away with it.
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Now it also possible that the console might not be that bad, but the controllers and accessories will be bad one of the best example is Nintendo! Joycon are ridiculously expensive for what you get, but they get away with it.
I doubt they'll even change the controllers that much if BC is a thing. PS1 to PS2 saw no changes to the controllers in regards to features, and I don't even see what new features could be put into a DualShock 5.
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Now it also possible that the console might not be that bad, but the controllers and accessories will be bad one of the best example is Nintendo! Joycon are ridiculously expensive for what you get, but they get away with it.
I doubt they'll even change the controllers that much if BC is a thing. PS1 to PS2 saw no changes to the controllers in regards to features, and I don't even see what new features could be put into a DualShock 5.
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(Apr 20th, 2019, 05:17 PM)Moonface Wrote:
The economy is better than it was during the PS3 launch for sure; I just think that compared to the PS4 price tag that $499 would still be a bit hard to stomach because of it being $100 more than the last system. Then again, no one seemed to mind about the cost of a PS4 Pro.

My point on it being hard to swallow was more just people wanting it to be cheaper because the higher the launch cost is, the more likely I think it is that people will wait until a price drop occurs. Why would I spend $500 on a day-one console when I could wait a year for the library to bulk out a bit and grab the thing cheaper due to an official price drop or a Black Friday deal? I know that argument can be made for any console at any price, but I think the higher you go, the higher the chances also go that people will wait for a better deal, especially when we all know such deals are guaranteed to happen.
Yes I agree there will always be people like that who want to wait or only look at numbers rather than value. It’s numerical value is 100 but it’s worth is $63 so only the price of a game or controller more. I think many gamers can swallow that cost if it is worth that extra value.

So far the PS5 is looking to be tremendously more valuable than PS4. Its using much newer tech whereas the PS4 launched with old weak tech. It plays the previous system’s games whereas PS4 didn’t play PS3 games. Games are getting an improvement rather than just graphics and audio is actually getting a huge improvement whereas PS4 had no improvement in that area. There’s still much we don’t know though, there could be more.
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(Apr 20th, 2019, 05:17 PM)Moonface Wrote:
The economy is better than it was during the PS3 launch for sure; I just think that compared to the PS4 price tag that $499 would still be a bit hard to stomach because of it being $100 more than the last system. Then again, no one seemed to mind about the cost of a PS4 Pro.

My point on it being hard to swallow was more just people wanting it to be cheaper because the higher the launch cost is, the more likely I think it is that people will wait until a price drop occurs. Why would I spend $500 on a day-one console when I could wait a year for the library to bulk out a bit and grab the thing cheaper due to an official price drop or a Black Friday deal? I know that argument can be made for any console at any price, but I think the higher you go, the higher the chances also go that people will wait for a better deal, especially when we all know such deals are guaranteed to happen.
Yes I agree there will always be people like that who want to wait or only look at numbers rather than value. It’s numerical value is 100 but it’s worth is $63 so only the price of a game or controller more. I think many gamers can swallow that cost if it is worth that extra value.

So far the PS5 is looking to be tremendously more valuable than PS4. Its using much newer tech whereas the PS4 launched with old weak tech. It plays the previous system’s games whereas PS4 didn’t play PS3 games. Games are getting an improvement rather than just graphics and audio is actually getting a huge improvement whereas PS4 had no improvement in that area. There’s still much we don’t know though, there could be more.
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How much value a PS5 has for me at launch will come down to the games that launch with it. I don't find the PS4 to be less value than its launch price as a piece of hardware, but the library didn't really have enough for me until late 2015/early 2016, so for the first two years or so the value of a PS4 to me was lower because it didn't have enough software to cater to my personal tastes. PS5 as a piece of hardware could be worth every penny it asks for, but it's hard to appreciate the value of hardware if there's no software you want to use on it at the time. I know it likely has BC, but I wouldn't spend $500 on a system to just keep playing what I have on PS4.
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How much value a PS5 has for me at launch will come down to the games that launch with it. I don't find the PS4 to be less value than its launch price as a piece of hardware, but the library didn't really have enough for me until late 2015/early 2016, so for the first two years or so the value of a PS4 to me was lower because it didn't have enough software to cater to my personal tastes. PS5 as a piece of hardware could be worth every penny it asks for, but it's hard to appreciate the value of hardware if there's no software you want to use on it at the time. I know it likely has BC, but I wouldn't spend $500 on a system to just keep playing what I have on PS4.
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Right. I was just talking hardware wise. But yes, any system is only as good as its games and power/features doesn’t negate that as history has shown.

I’m expecting it to be a better launch than PS4 but beating previous PS launches isn’t hard. They’ve all had pretty bad launch titles with the exception of the Vita. Funny how their most doomed hardware had the best software launch of all of them. Haha
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Right. I was just talking hardware wise. But yes, any system is only as good as its games and power/features doesn’t negate that as history has shown.

I’m expecting it to be a better launch than PS4 but beating previous PS launches isn’t hard. They’ve all had pretty bad launch titles with the exception of the Vita. Funny how their most doomed hardware had the best software launch of all of them. Haha
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I agree with Moonface, games available at launch will dictate if I order it or not. Honestly, I'd be perfectly content waiting it out a few years. My PS4 backlog is horrible!
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I agree with Moonface, games available at launch will dictate if I order it or not. Honestly, I'd be perfectly content waiting it out a few years. My PS4 backlog is horrible!
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For me I may wait a bit, it just depends. They have delivered on games four gens in a row so it’s not much of a concern to me. Especially since I can sell my Pro for $200 and significantly reduce the price of entry. But still too many unknowns.
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For me I may wait a bit, it just depends. They have delivered on games four gens in a row so it’s not much of a concern to me. Especially since I can sell my Pro for $200 and significantly reduce the price of entry. But still too many unknowns.
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