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Lately I've been thinking a lot about how the internet has changed a lot throughout the time I've used it, and how there are certain things that I miss about it that have changed as time and technology has progressed.
The biggest one that comes into my mind is how despite the internet being more "social" and connected than it ever has been, it actually feels disconnected to me at the same time compared to how it was before Facebook, Twitter, et al. were the powerhouses they are now and all anyone referred to as social media was Myspace. The sense of community that the internet had seems less nowadays, because places like Twitter don't actually have a community; it's just a load of people typing into the void and waiting to see if the void answers back. I can recognise a name when I keep seeing tweets from them for a bit, but go into any comment section and no one knows each other, you can't pick out people, and if you want to make a comment on a tweet in the hopes of a response then you better do it within the first 30 minutes of that tweet going up or you may as well not bother, because the void will probably never answer you back or even see what you had to say. If you go to a smaller tweet you'll do better, but in my experience anyone I've responded to within a tweet will never cross my path again. It's like talking to people at a concert; you might get a little something, but quickly you're drowned out by the next hit thing coming on stage and the crowd shuffles around every song so you can't find people again.
Even when I've stalked places like the Crash Bandicoot subreddit to keep up with any news or leaks for games I have never once managed to memorise and pick out any key members of that community, and the same goes for any others I've watched closely for a time like Spyro or Dying Light. It's worse there because names and avatars are basically designed to not be the focus; just digest content and don't worry about any of the people who create it. And like every other social media, better get your comment in fast otherwise good luck ever being seen or replied to because everyone moved on within a day (and that's being generous).
I feel like the only places where I can pick people out easily is forums and Discord, because they both put a big emphasis on the user and actual community. They're not about just making as much content as possible for upvotes and keeping you glued to a phone reading that content for as long as possible like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.
It's basically just a personality thing. I feel like there was more personality in the old internet than the current. People stood out more, everyone was happy to make random fun sites and stuff, but now a lot of sites are focused on that ad revenue and anywhere like Tumblr that gave you an actual page nuked themselves with stupid choices so everyone just gets stuck on "everything looks the same" social media.
Anyway, old man yells at the kids on the lawn is done with his input for now, so what stuff do you miss about the internet? Or maybe you're on the opposite side and don't miss something about the older days of the internet.
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Aug 16th, 2021, 12:46 AM
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Lately I've been thinking a lot about how the internet has changed a lot throughout the time I've used it, and how there are certain things that I miss about it that have changed as time and technology has progressed.
The biggest one that comes into my mind is how despite the internet being more "social" and connected than it ever has been, it actually feels disconnected to me at the same time compared to how it was before Facebook, Twitter, et al. were the powerhouses they are now and all anyone referred to as social media was Myspace. The sense of community that the internet had seems less nowadays, because places like Twitter don't actually have a community; it's just a load of people typing into the void and waiting to see if the void answers back. I can recognise a name when I keep seeing tweets from them for a bit, but go into any comment section and no one knows each other, you can't pick out people, and if you want to make a comment on a tweet in the hopes of a response then you better do it within the first 30 minutes of that tweet going up or you may as well not bother, because the void will probably never answer you back or even see what you had to say. If you go to a smaller tweet you'll do better, but in my experience anyone I've responded to within a tweet will never cross my path again. It's like talking to people at a concert; you might get a little something, but quickly you're drowned out by the next hit thing coming on stage and the crowd shuffles around every song so you can't find people again.
Even when I've stalked places like the Crash Bandicoot subreddit to keep up with any news or leaks for games I have never once managed to memorise and pick out any key members of that community, and the same goes for any others I've watched closely for a time like Spyro or Dying Light. It's worse there because names and avatars are basically designed to not be the focus; just digest content and don't worry about any of the people who create it. And like every other social media, better get your comment in fast otherwise good luck ever being seen or replied to because everyone moved on within a day (and that's being generous).
I feel like the only places where I can pick people out easily is forums and Discord, because they both put a big emphasis on the user and actual community. They're not about just making as much content as possible for upvotes and keeping you glued to a phone reading that content for as long as possible like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.
It's basically just a personality thing. I feel like there was more personality in the old internet than the current. People stood out more, everyone was happy to make random fun sites and stuff, but now a lot of sites are focused on that ad revenue and anywhere like Tumblr that gave you an actual page nuked themselves with stupid choices so everyone just gets stuck on "everything looks the same" social media.
Anyway, old man yells at the kids on the lawn is done with his input for now, so what stuff do you miss about the internet? Or maybe you're on the opposite side and don't miss something about the older days of the internet.
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Aug 16th, 2021, 01:51 AM
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I actually answered this question on Kyng's board, so I'll just repeat my answer here:
I don't know why, but I felt compelled to "tour" many of the sites I used to visit back when I was first starting to be online and I couldn't quite avoid feeling that something's amiss.
Perhaps I'm blinded by nostalgia by saying this, but I truly miss the internet of old (particularly the iteration that existed from 2003 until the advent of the so-called "Web 2.0") because it allowed for some untamed creativity when it came to crafting sites, which provided them with a sense of wild imagination that couldn't be overshadowed by the primitive techniques used to make them... frames, pop-ups, Javascript, scrolling texts, low-res graphics, all of that enhanced the mood and put the spotlight where it rightfully belonged: on the content itself. Having visited so many sites in which it was clear that the author was giving birth to a work of art makes me despise this new wave of sites in which "design is king" and "the users generate content", despite these being infinitely more powerful than anything from that era.
I'm aware that we have more and better tools to improve upon the kinds of things I was being delighted by twenty or so years ago (wheew!), but to me it is all about context.
Take a Wikia, for example.
Sure, it might look impressive and be an amazing way to propel a given fandom to unprecedented new heights, but that's because a lot of people can chime in and contribute to them... I used to know sites in which one or two people would painstakingly build the same databases by themselves, one afternoon at a time. One of these sites was run by one guy individually, and he went through every piece of official Dragon Ball merchandise he could find in order to post detailed, almost book-sized commentary on those (and even translated and copied over the entirety of the official characters' guide, which must have taken ages to complete). To me, a site like that would be worthy of endless preservation, but it went offline nearly two decades ago and now the incomplete, broken and empty archived shell is all that remains of such a passionate project. It's really tragic when you look at it.
Abandonware sites were another constant feature of my online travels, and one that's sadly dying a slow and painful death, now that many IPs have been bought, revived and sold again.
There were so many Abandonware sites active between 1998 and 2007... and all of them had an unique flavor to them, because they were being reduced to shrines to old games and not just hanging out places that also happened to offer discontinued games for download.
Who could forget about the never-ending battle between the webmistress behind the world's famous Home of the Underdogs and a ton of third party sites and web providers that turned into a big game of chicken when those started targeting the accounts used by HoTU to host their games and that the staff had to keep replacing on a daily basis. I mean, check out this insanity:
March 1999 - April 1999: A very good (in terms of rapidly increasing number of games) but very frustrating (in terms of accounts being routinely deleted by free providers) period for the site. By the end of April, the number of games had gone up to around 400 or so. Had over 60 free accounts scattered across major free providers, as well as (then) lesser-known ones e.g. The Globe. Had over 50 free e-mail accounts from those same providers, which I used in a systematic pattern to register for yet more accounts. The "master file" --the list of all the HOTU games and which account they were in-- was roughly 15 screens long.
This kind of struggle would hardly be seen these days, but it does speak volumes about the commitment that each and every webmaster had with their sites. I'm no lawyer (nor do I pretend to understand how the copyright law works) but those people weren't doing anything wrong by sharing unsold, unlisted and unattainable games through free distribution, yet the witch hunt that was spawned by the mere existence of these sites was so brutal that many people gave up their sites and moved on after it became clear that their reasoning was not getting through the corporate mind.
A site I used to hang out at around those dates (which happens to be the one I met @"Ognimod" through) and that shall remain nameless was actually forced to close down because a group of people threatened the webmaster with legal action.
The last of the "classic" sites I used to visit closed down in 2010, amidst a failed updated that wiped out the forum and many of the features contained within... a rather anti-climatic ending to a site that had been shot down and revived twice before.
But I was actually surprised to hear that some of the pages I loved as a teen are still up, just vastly changed.
One of those sites has been turned into an archive of itself, in which ten or so years worth of forum posts are still accessible and largely visible to anyone willing to go through them, but all the subforums are locked and new registrations have been disabled (not to mention, the entirety of the download section has been vanished from the site). I can actually live with that, since the place is different, but its atmosphere remains unchanged and one can almost expect to see new replies at any time... it's that well-preserved.
Another one of those little gems saw its last update in 2004, but it's still going strong despite the fact that it's now completely broken due to it having outlived both its guestbook provider and Geocities, which were essential for it to work properly... but as its own time machine into a world that no longer exists, the humble "bakery" becomes priceless.
There are many other sites from that time that still stand in one way or another, but I won't link to them... most have become barren wastelands in which Spambots roam free and that's not the way I want to introduce them to people who have never heard of them. It'd be a massive disservice to places that provided me with endless entertainment and more than one lasting memory from simpler times.
I know that this "look back" isn't as complete as it could be, but that's because I chose to limit it to the places I actually got to experience first-hand when they were alive and popular... this was, in no way, intended to be an extensive review of the last two decades of the ever-changing internet landscape, but what I made of it as a simple spectator of its development.
PS: Shoutouts to Aurora from 80sCartoons.net for keeping the dream alive and going throughout all these years. Your site was one of the most pleasant stops I made on the journey.
PS2: Those online Gameboy emulators that introduced me to such classics as Link's Awakening DX had to be mentioned somewhere. The amount of hours I must have spent playing around with those while tearing my phone bill apart through sheer dial-up prowess... and same with flash animations and minigames. Christ.
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Aug 16th, 2021, 01:51 AM
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I actually answered this question on Kyng's board, so I'll just repeat my answer here:
I don't know why, but I felt compelled to "tour" many of the sites I used to visit back when I was first starting to be online and I couldn't quite avoid feeling that something's amiss.
Perhaps I'm blinded by nostalgia by saying this, but I truly miss the internet of old (particularly the iteration that existed from 2003 until the advent of the so-called "Web 2.0") because it allowed for some untamed creativity when it came to crafting sites, which provided them with a sense of wild imagination that couldn't be overshadowed by the primitive techniques used to make them... frames, pop-ups, Javascript, scrolling texts, low-res graphics, all of that enhanced the mood and put the spotlight where it rightfully belonged: on the content itself. Having visited so many sites in which it was clear that the author was giving birth to a work of art makes me despise this new wave of sites in which "design is king" and "the users generate content", despite these being infinitely more powerful than anything from that era.
I'm aware that we have more and better tools to improve upon the kinds of things I was being delighted by twenty or so years ago (wheew!), but to me it is all about context.
Take a Wikia, for example.
Sure, it might look impressive and be an amazing way to propel a given fandom to unprecedented new heights, but that's because a lot of people can chime in and contribute to them... I used to know sites in which one or two people would painstakingly build the same databases by themselves, one afternoon at a time. One of these sites was run by one guy individually, and he went through every piece of official Dragon Ball merchandise he could find in order to post detailed, almost book-sized commentary on those (and even translated and copied over the entirety of the official characters' guide, which must have taken ages to complete). To me, a site like that would be worthy of endless preservation, but it went offline nearly two decades ago and now the incomplete, broken and empty archived shell is all that remains of such a passionate project. It's really tragic when you look at it.
Abandonware sites were another constant feature of my online travels, and one that's sadly dying a slow and painful death, now that many IPs have been bought, revived and sold again.
There were so many Abandonware sites active between 1998 and 2007... and all of them had an unique flavor to them, because they were being reduced to shrines to old games and not just hanging out places that also happened to offer discontinued games for download.
Who could forget about the never-ending battle between the webmistress behind the world's famous Home of the Underdogs and a ton of third party sites and web providers that turned into a big game of chicken when those started targeting the accounts used by HoTU to host their games and that the staff had to keep replacing on a daily basis. I mean, check out this insanity:
March 1999 - April 1999: A very good (in terms of rapidly increasing number of games) but very frustrating (in terms of accounts being routinely deleted by free providers) period for the site. By the end of April, the number of games had gone up to around 400 or so. Had over 60 free accounts scattered across major free providers, as well as (then) lesser-known ones e.g. The Globe. Had over 50 free e-mail accounts from those same providers, which I used in a systematic pattern to register for yet more accounts. The "master file" --the list of all the HOTU games and which account they were in-- was roughly 15 screens long.
This kind of struggle would hardly be seen these days, but it does speak volumes about the commitment that each and every webmaster had with their sites. I'm no lawyer (nor do I pretend to understand how the copyright law works) but those people weren't doing anything wrong by sharing unsold, unlisted and unattainable games through free distribution, yet the witch hunt that was spawned by the mere existence of these sites was so brutal that many people gave up their sites and moved on after it became clear that their reasoning was not getting through the corporate mind.
A site I used to hang out at around those dates (which happens to be the one I met @"Ognimod" through) and that shall remain nameless was actually forced to close down because a group of people threatened the webmaster with legal action.
The last of the "classic" sites I used to visit closed down in 2010, amidst a failed updated that wiped out the forum and many of the features contained within... a rather anti-climatic ending to a site that had been shot down and revived twice before.
But I was actually surprised to hear that some of the pages I loved as a teen are still up, just vastly changed.
One of those sites has been turned into an archive of itself, in which ten or so years worth of forum posts are still accessible and largely visible to anyone willing to go through them, but all the subforums are locked and new registrations have been disabled (not to mention, the entirety of the download section has been vanished from the site). I can actually live with that, since the place is different, but its atmosphere remains unchanged and one can almost expect to see new replies at any time... it's that well-preserved.
Another one of those little gems saw its last update in 2004, but it's still going strong despite the fact that it's now completely broken due to it having outlived both its guestbook provider and Geocities, which were essential for it to work properly... but as its own time machine into a world that no longer exists, the humble "bakery" becomes priceless.
There are many other sites from that time that still stand in one way or another, but I won't link to them... most have become barren wastelands in which Spambots roam free and that's not the way I want to introduce them to people who have never heard of them. It'd be a massive disservice to places that provided me with endless entertainment and more than one lasting memory from simpler times.
I know that this "look back" isn't as complete as it could be, but that's because I chose to limit it to the places I actually got to experience first-hand when they were alive and popular... this was, in no way, intended to be an extensive review of the last two decades of the ever-changing internet landscape, but what I made of it as a simple spectator of its development.
PS: Shoutouts to Aurora from 80sCartoons.net for keeping the dream alive and going throughout all these years. Your site was one of the most pleasant stops I made on the journey.
PS2: Those online Gameboy emulators that introduced me to such classics as Link's Awakening DX had to be mentioned somewhere. The amount of hours I must have spent playing around with those while tearing my phone bill apart through sheer dial-up prowess... and same with flash animations and minigames. Christ.
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Aug 16th, 2021, 05:31 AM
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My answer sums up to "I wish the internet wasn't for normies" in short. The accessibility of the platform has skyrocketed to the point of every day life, from babies to the elderly, and it's both a blessing and curse.
I reflect mostly upon the niche communities that would sprawl the internet of the early and mid 2000's. Always likeminded folk and all had a shared passion for whatever thing was being shared amongst them. Now, it's a standard of living, just as easy as breathing. It's actually become what I'd consider a utility, much like electricity, water and sewage: you really can't live without it. That aspect has made these niche communities such background noise that it feels archaic to even consider going back to a time like that. It's a shame.
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Aug 16th, 2021, 05:31 AM
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My answer sums up to "I wish the internet wasn't for normies" in short. The accessibility of the platform has skyrocketed to the point of every day life, from babies to the elderly, and it's both a blessing and curse.
I reflect mostly upon the niche communities that would sprawl the internet of the early and mid 2000's. Always likeminded folk and all had a shared passion for whatever thing was being shared amongst them. Now, it's a standard of living, just as easy as breathing. It's actually become what I'd consider a utility, much like electricity, water and sewage: you really can't live without it. That aspect has made these niche communities such background noise that it feels archaic to even consider going back to a time like that. It's a shame.
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Aug 21st, 2021, 02:21 AM
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@ Nightingale: Yeah, the things people came up with for sites is nothing like you see now. I think back in the day when someone made a site, it was cool because not everyone could do it and there wasn't really a template or standard to follow. Now, anyone who makes a site will often give it the same clean look everywhere else has. It's something I miss about ZetaBoards compared to every other forum host: the themes made for it had personality and imagination, and no other host comes close to the degree of theme work that you could find on that service.
I also feel like people weren't competing back then either like now. Everyone just wanted to make cool stuff and show it off and see it, now people want clicks and put success before passion.
@ ShiraNoMai: I feel the only place niche communities still pop up is on places like Reddit, but the nature of Reddit also kills them very quickly because discussions come and go very quickly and don't seem as easy to pick up and continue again like with forums or chat rooms.
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Aug 21st, 2021, 02:21 AM
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@ Nightingale: Yeah, the things people came up with for sites is nothing like you see now. I think back in the day when someone made a site, it was cool because not everyone could do it and there wasn't really a template or standard to follow. Now, anyone who makes a site will often give it the same clean look everywhere else has. It's something I miss about ZetaBoards compared to every other forum host: the themes made for it had personality and imagination, and no other host comes close to the degree of theme work that you could find on that service.
I also feel like people weren't competing back then either like now. Everyone just wanted to make cool stuff and show it off and see it, now people want clicks and put success before passion.
@ ShiraNoMai: I feel the only place niche communities still pop up is on places like Reddit, but the nature of Reddit also kills them very quickly because discussions come and go very quickly and don't seem as easy to pick up and continue again like with forums or chat rooms.
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Aug 23rd, 2021, 04:00 AM
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Yeah... passion has certainly taken the back seat now, huh?
Everything is sourced, verified, lifeless... GOD FORBID YOU DREW YOUR OWN BANNER or crafted one, etc.
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You better hide from her freezing hell. ~ Ice Queen, Within Temptation.
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Aug 23rd, 2021, 04:00 AM
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Yeah... passion has certainly taken the back seat now, huh?
Everything is sourced, verified, lifeless... GOD FORBID YOU DREW YOUR OWN BANNER or crafted one, etc.
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Aug 26th, 2021, 01:59 AM
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Hey, Moony: check out this time capsule:
http://chasque.net/dana/
It stopped being updated BEFORE I got my first internet connection, none of the affiliated sites exist anymore; the guestbook is down, the Yahoo! Group is down, GeoCities is down... but man, what a trip.
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And skies turned to grey.
The night keeps on closing in on the day.
A nightingale sings his song of farewell.
You better hide from her freezing hell. ~ Ice Queen, Within Temptation.
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Aug 26th, 2021, 01:59 AM
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Hey, Moony: check out this time capsule:
http://chasque.net/dana/
It stopped being updated BEFORE I got my first internet connection, none of the affiliated sites exist anymore; the guestbook is down, the Yahoo! Group is down, GeoCities is down... but man, what a trip.
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Aug 26th, 2021, 02:28 AM
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Is that one of the first websites you went to when you got internet? Or is this just somewhere stupidly old you happened to come across recently that's surprisingly still up?
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I, the Philosophical Sponge of Marbles, send you on a quest for the Golden Chewing Gum of the Whoop-A-Ding-Dong Desert under the sea!
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Aug 26th, 2021, 02:28 AM
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Is that one of the first websites you went to when you got internet? Or is this just somewhere stupidly old you happened to come across recently that's surprisingly still up?
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(Aug 26th, 2021, 02:28 AM)Moonface Wrote: Is that one of the first websites you went to when you got internet? Or is this just somewhere stupidly old you happened to come across recently that's surprisingly still up? One of the first I ever experienced (the very first one is still up and updated, actually). I used to know the webmistress, as she was a mod on my very first forum (also still up).
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You better hide from her freezing hell. ~ Ice Queen, Within Temptation.
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Aug 26th, 2021, 02:54 AM
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(Aug 26th, 2021, 02:28 AM)Moonface Wrote: Is that one of the first websites you went to when you got internet? Or is this just somewhere stupidly old you happened to come across recently that's surprisingly still up? One of the first I ever experienced (the very first one is still up and updated, actually). I used to know the webmistress, as she was a mod on my very first forum (also still up).
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Aug 26th, 2021, 08:42 PM
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I'm surprised the site and domain have been getting paid for since the site stopped being used in 2004. Considering that bank cards change every few years the owner is presumably actively still aware of their site to keep updating their payment methods.
I don't know if this is the very first website I went to when I first got internet, but I do know it was a place I played a lot of games on back in the day: https://www.zylom.com/us/en/online-games/all-games/
I actually thought it had disappeared because I tried searching for it a couple of years ago but under the old domain of zylomgames, but I guess they simplified it to just zylom. Looks like any of the games I played on it are gone now, but that's not surprising since they would've all run on Flash which is dead.
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Aug 26th, 2021, 08:42 PM
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I'm surprised the site and domain have been getting paid for since the site stopped being used in 2004. Considering that bank cards change every few years the owner is presumably actively still aware of their site to keep updating their payment methods.
I don't know if this is the very first website I went to when I first got internet, but I do know it was a place I played a lot of games on back in the day: https://www.zylom.com/us/en/online-games/all-games/
I actually thought it had disappeared because I tried searching for it a couple of years ago but under the old domain of zylomgames, but I guess they simplified it to just zylom. Looks like any of the games I played on it are gone now, but that's not surprising since they would've all run on Flash which is dead.
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Yeah, I lost contact with the owner in or around 2007 and now I'm honesty kinda scared of asking her about it, because I'm afraid she might take it down.
Also, looks like the DBZ site I mentioned above (defunct, 2007) came back to life with no updates and for three months in 2016, just to disappear again. I have no answers.
Finally, is it OK if I show you an abandonware site that's still getting paid for, but has been dead and abandoned since 2009, when the webmaster died?
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Yeah, I lost contact with the owner in or around 2007 and now I'm honesty kinda scared of asking her about it, because I'm afraid she might take it down.
Also, looks like the DBZ site I mentioned above (defunct, 2007) came back to life with no updates and for three months in 2016, just to disappear again. I have no answers.
Finally, is it OK if I show you an abandonware site that's still getting paid for, but has been dead and abandoned since 2009, when the webmaster died?
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Aug 27th, 2021, 03:40 AM
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I think one of the coolest inventions in the era of the Internet is the Web Archive, where you can access practically any website at any time frame since inception and see the cached website from what it was then.
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Aug 27th, 2021, 03:40 AM
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I think one of the coolest inventions in the era of the Internet is the Web Archive, where you can access practically any website at any time frame since inception and see the cached website from what it was then.
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Aug 29th, 2021, 11:25 PM
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(Aug 26th, 2021, 11:38 PM)Nightingale Wrote: Finally, is it OK if I show you an abandonware site that's still getting paid for, but has been dead and abandoned since 2009, when the webmaster died? It should be fine. Generally such content isn't looked for by the owner (if there are any) and the issue would lie with the site, not us. Also in this instance we're not trying to promote it for the content, we're just showing a website for discussions sake.
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I, the Philosophical Sponge of Marbles, send you on a quest for the Golden Chewing Gum of the Whoop-A-Ding-Dong Desert under the sea!
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Aug 29th, 2021, 11:25 PM
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(Aug 26th, 2021, 11:38 PM)Nightingale Wrote: Finally, is it OK if I show you an abandonware site that's still getting paid for, but has been dead and abandoned since 2009, when the webmaster died? It should be fine. Generally such content isn't looked for by the owner (if there are any) and the issue would lie with the site, not us. Also in this instance we're not trying to promote it for the content, we're just showing a website for discussions sake.
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Aug 30th, 2021, 12:46 AM
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(Aug 29th, 2021, 11:25 PM)Moonface Wrote: (Aug 26th, 2021, 11:38 PM)Nightingale Wrote: Finally, is it OK if I show you an abandonware site that's still getting paid for, but has been dead and abandoned since 2009, when the webmaster died? It should be fine. Generally such content isn't looked for by the owner (if there are any) and the issue would lie with the site, not us. Also in this instance we're not trying to promote it for the content, we're just showing a website for discussions sake.
Cool, great. I asked because companies are really touchy about it these days.
So, anyway... this site used to be THE referent among Spanish-speaking abandonware sites and inspired many others to be made, but a faulty (or should I say, "disastrous") vBulletin install sent it straight to hell. Random users were given mod/admin privileges, *actual* mods and admins were demoted/locked out, most of the userbase was made guests and, in the midst of all of that, the webmaster was killed in a traffic accident. Seems like the setting to a movie.
All forum activity stopped in 2009; all site activity stopped in 2011. And it is unclear now who pays for hosting or why they do it, but the site is still floating around like an abandoned, water-logged wreck.
It is gut-wrenching.
http://www.ellosnuncaloharian.com/index/
I strongly recommend going through the Webarchive with this one, to the PHPBB days.
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When leaves have fallen.
And skies turned to grey.
The night keeps on closing in on the day.
A nightingale sings his song of farewell.
You better hide from her freezing hell. ~ Ice Queen, Within Temptation.
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Aug 30th, 2021, 12:46 AM
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(Aug 29th, 2021, 11:25 PM)Moonface Wrote: (Aug 26th, 2021, 11:38 PM)Nightingale Wrote: Finally, is it OK if I show you an abandonware site that's still getting paid for, but has been dead and abandoned since 2009, when the webmaster died? It should be fine. Generally such content isn't looked for by the owner (if there are any) and the issue would lie with the site, not us. Also in this instance we're not trying to promote it for the content, we're just showing a website for discussions sake.
Cool, great. I asked because companies are really touchy about it these days.
So, anyway... this site used to be THE referent among Spanish-speaking abandonware sites and inspired many others to be made, but a faulty (or should I say, "disastrous") vBulletin install sent it straight to hell. Random users were given mod/admin privileges, *actual* mods and admins were demoted/locked out, most of the userbase was made guests and, in the midst of all of that, the webmaster was killed in a traffic accident. Seems like the setting to a movie.
All forum activity stopped in 2009; all site activity stopped in 2011. And it is unclear now who pays for hosting or why they do it, but the site is still floating around like an abandoned, water-logged wreck.
It is gut-wrenching.
http://www.ellosnuncaloharian.com/index/
I strongly recommend going through the Webarchive with this one, to the PHPBB days.
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Aug 30th, 2021, 01:24 AM
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Two things, really:
1) The "Internet of Discovery". Back in the early 2000s, the internet used to have a 'wild west' feel about it: I'd use it to learn about new things, and get in contact with new people from around the world (usually people who shared interests with me). However, this has become a lot weaker as Facebook and other social media giants took over. Instead, we moved towards an "Internet of familiarity" - where most people just use the internet to continue talking to the people they already know from real life. And that's certainly useful - but I don't like the extent to which it's replaced the "Internet of discovery" (even on forums, where I'm talking to 'online' people, it's largely the same group I've known for years, consisting of people in my age range who grew up with forums in the 'golden age'!)
2) The charm of personal websites. Back before social media was a thing, many people had their own personal website. And they'd often spent a significant amount of time on the look and feel of the place. And... I'm not going pretend that these personal websites were a showcase of artistic talent, because many of them looked terrible. But, that wasn't the point: they all oozed charm and personality (even the bad ones), and they really did make the websites look like creations from the heart of an individual person. By contrast, everyone today is making the same old "minimal for mobiles" design choices - which they kind of have to (with so much traffic coming from mobiles), but it means all these websites have lost their individuality: they all look and feel like they came off an assembly line. Furthermore, with all the personality that had been poured into the web pages of old, visiting them made me feel like a special guest. On the other hand, when I visit a modern website on a PC, it just looks like a mobile app stretched out - and I feel like an afterthought .
Honestly... if somebody had pitched the mobile-dominated internet to me in 2007, then I would have rolled my eyes and asked "Why would anybody want to use this?!?!". But, they do - and, in my opinion, the internet as a whole is worse off for it.
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Aug 30th, 2021, 01:24 AM
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Two things, really:
1) The "Internet of Discovery". Back in the early 2000s, the internet used to have a 'wild west' feel about it: I'd use it to learn about new things, and get in contact with new people from around the world (usually people who shared interests with me). However, this has become a lot weaker as Facebook and other social media giants took over. Instead, we moved towards an "Internet of familiarity" - where most people just use the internet to continue talking to the people they already know from real life. And that's certainly useful - but I don't like the extent to which it's replaced the "Internet of discovery" (even on forums, where I'm talking to 'online' people, it's largely the same group I've known for years, consisting of people in my age range who grew up with forums in the 'golden age'!)
2) The charm of personal websites. Back before social media was a thing, many people had their own personal website. And they'd often spent a significant amount of time on the look and feel of the place. And... I'm not going pretend that these personal websites were a showcase of artistic talent, because many of them looked terrible. But, that wasn't the point: they all oozed charm and personality (even the bad ones), and they really did make the websites look like creations from the heart of an individual person. By contrast, everyone today is making the same old "minimal for mobiles" design choices - which they kind of have to (with so much traffic coming from mobiles), but it means all these websites have lost their individuality: they all look and feel like they came off an assembly line. Furthermore, with all the personality that had been poured into the web pages of old, visiting them made me feel like a special guest. On the other hand, when I visit a modern website on a PC, it just looks like a mobile app stretched out - and I feel like an afterthought .
Honestly... if somebody had pitched the mobile-dominated internet to me in 2007, then I would have rolled my eyes and asked "Why would anybody want to use this?!?!". But, they do - and, in my opinion, the internet as a whole is worse off for it.
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Sep 14th, 2021, 11:11 PM
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@ Nightingale: I'm surprised anyone is still paying for it if no one who runs the place has access to their staff powers any longer. Even if it was the deceased webmaster I'd have expected their bank account to no longer be open after their death to fund the site. It sucks that the place went under due to a botched install; I wonder how long it would've gone on for if that hadn't occurred.
@ Kyng: I think another thing that killed discovering personal websites is how many of them are riddled with intrusive elements or just clearly padded with garbage to boost search rankings and ad revenue.
As for personality of websites, I agree. ResetEra for example (and NeoGaf before it) are both websites where they have an identity, but it isn't through the website design but just the logo. You could take their themes and put anything else onto them, even non-gaming, and it wouldn't look out of place at all. I don't know if it's an emphasis on content, but if so then I think it's going too far when the content could be on a plain archive version of the webpage and not be much different to what you already see due to the lack of visual identity around it.
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Sep 14th, 2021, 11:11 PM
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@ Nightingale: I'm surprised anyone is still paying for it if no one who runs the place has access to their staff powers any longer. Even if it was the deceased webmaster I'd have expected their bank account to no longer be open after their death to fund the site. It sucks that the place went under due to a botched install; I wonder how long it would've gone on for if that hadn't occurred.
@ Kyng: I think another thing that killed discovering personal websites is how many of them are riddled with intrusive elements or just clearly padded with garbage to boost search rankings and ad revenue.
As for personality of websites, I agree. ResetEra for example (and NeoGaf before it) are both websites where they have an identity, but it isn't through the website design but just the logo. You could take their themes and put anything else onto them, even non-gaming, and it wouldn't look out of place at all. I don't know if it's an emphasis on content, but if so then I think it's going too far when the content could be on a plain archive version of the webpage and not be much different to what you already see due to the lack of visual identity around it.
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