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The greatest topic of all has returned! (*mostly sarcasm) 
The topic where you come and share those random, cool dreams you had overnight. If you recall them that is. And if you want to. LOL Plus any you may remember that happened long ago.

I'll share two, one that will stay with me for a long time, and one from last night.

Probably have mentioned this before, but it's the one that used to be a reoccurring nightmare when I was a child. I don't know how the dream starts exactly, but will always have me alone being chased by someone or something in my house at night. I run upstairs to my bedroom, and shut the door. Don't hear anything on the other side, so I peek out to check. The door of my parent's room was closed, but after a while slowly opens. Something charges out towards me, and I attempt to hide before it captures me, but always fail. I never know what happens at that point, since I wake up then.
I got over the nightmare, after having the same dream but altered slightly. I am chased and hide. I don't go into my room, but stop as I look at my parent's door. Out comes a missile for some reason, but doesn't go for me. Instead, it aims at whatever was chasing me, plus other kids appeared to throw tomatoes at my pursuer. The relief as I woke up, finally free of the nightmare was great.

Last night's dream. Well, the one I remember. I am in a sweet shop, choosing candy for a pick and mix plus a can of drink to go with it. I make my way to the counter to pay. Two staff were serving, and both acknowledged what I am buying. I pay, but before I go they tell me I have to run my products through a scanning machine, to register on the system of what I've bought. It's made out this "system" is like a bigger power, or like people have to tell the government of what they're buying. Wasn't clear, but something like that. Anyway, when I scan them, the system denies me. I'm told I'm not registered on the system, but I ask why wasn't I told earlier. The system seemed to thought I was my brother, who was registered. So, I had to go through the process of getting an account so it can be proven what I bought. Got to the type in password and started typing, but it was shown what I was typing to everyone in the shop. I asked where the hide characters option was, but there was none. So that pissed me off, cancelled and walked out. If I was to get done for doing that I don't know, because it ended there. Felt like I was going to though. XD
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The greatest topic of all has returned! (*mostly sarcasm) 
The topic where you come and share those random, cool dreams you had overnight. If you recall them that is. And if you want to. LOL Plus any you may remember that happened long ago.

I'll share two, one that will stay with me for a long time, and one from last night.

Probably have mentioned this before, but it's the one that used to be a reoccurring nightmare when I was a child. I don't know how the dream starts exactly, but will always have me alone being chased by someone or something in my house at night. I run upstairs to my bedroom, and shut the door. Don't hear anything on the other side, so I peek out to check. The door of my parent's room was closed, but after a while slowly opens. Something charges out towards me, and I attempt to hide before it captures me, but always fail. I never know what happens at that point, since I wake up then.
I got over the nightmare, after having the same dream but altered slightly. I am chased and hide. I don't go into my room, but stop as I look at my parent's door. Out comes a missile for some reason, but doesn't go for me. Instead, it aims at whatever was chasing me, plus other kids appeared to throw tomatoes at my pursuer. The relief as I woke up, finally free of the nightmare was great.

Last night's dream. Well, the one I remember. I am in a sweet shop, choosing candy for a pick and mix plus a can of drink to go with it. I make my way to the counter to pay. Two staff were serving, and both acknowledged what I am buying. I pay, but before I go they tell me I have to run my products through a scanning machine, to register on the system of what I've bought. It's made out this "system" is like a bigger power, or like people have to tell the government of what they're buying. Wasn't clear, but something like that. Anyway, when I scan them, the system denies me. I'm told I'm not registered on the system, but I ask why wasn't I told earlier. The system seemed to thought I was my brother, who was registered. So, I had to go through the process of getting an account so it can be proven what I bought. Got to the type in password and started typing, but it was shown what I was typing to everyone in the shop. I asked where the hide characters option was, but there was none. So that pissed me off, cancelled and walked out. If I was to get done for doing that I don't know, because it ended there. Felt like I was going to though. XD
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interesting dreams you have EL!

I don't think I ever shared this one before, but I actually had a somewhat "re-occuring nightmare" it has happened in my nightmares twice. I can't quite remember if it was always the same, but the basic of it is this.

I end up being chased by my friend's dog that I had when I was like 5ish. No idea why it happened again, but like a few years ago it did and it always strikes me as odd that it happened again. Oh I also have a phobia of dogs not as bad as when I was a kid, but I was scared of them pretty bad when I was younger. When me and my friend wanted to play outside his poor parents had to bring the two dogs inside and lock them in a room. Which I really appreciate in retrospect.
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interesting dreams you have EL!

I don't think I ever shared this one before, but I actually had a somewhat "re-occuring nightmare" it has happened in my nightmares twice. I can't quite remember if it was always the same, but the basic of it is this.

I end up being chased by my friend's dog that I had when I was like 5ish. No idea why it happened again, but like a few years ago it did and it always strikes me as odd that it happened again. Oh I also have a phobia of dogs not as bad as when I was a kid, but I was scared of them pretty bad when I was younger. When me and my friend wanted to play outside his poor parents had to bring the two dogs inside and lock them in a room. Which I really appreciate in retrospect.
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A lot of my dreams are continuations to ones I had in the past even if I don't recall them now.
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The oldest dream I remember having was decades ago, I fighting along side BJ Blazkowicz in Castle Wolfenstein, in the dream I got nailed in the groin and when I woke up it felt like I got nailed in the groin so ever since then I held the strong beliefe that "You can't get hurt in your dreams" is pure bullshit.

A lot of my dreams are continuations to ones I had in the past even if I don't recall them now.
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(06-23-2018, 07:30 PM)Mr EliteL Wrote:
I got over the nightmare, after having the same dream but altered slightly. I am chased and hide. I don't go into my room, but stop as I look at my parent's door. Out comes a missile for some reason, but doesn't go for me. Instead, it aims at whatever was chasing me, plus other kids appeared to throw tomatoes at my pursuer. The relief as I woke up, finally free of the nightmare was great.
This dream makes me think of a late game sequence that happens in The Evil Within 2 when Sebastian confronts his nightmares he's been experiencing since the first game. XD

I had a really crazy dream last night. It involved myself, Shira, and my family and we were in my hometown standing at the bus stop at the back of the Asda parking lot (extra detail only for EL's benefit). A plane used for internal flights flies above, and some of us are watching it when it suddenly starts to lose altitude and plummets down into some houses and flats nearby, exploding.

Before we can really react, we notice another plane above that also just suddenly starts falling, spinning over itself vertically until it hits the ground. All of us run across the parking lot out of the way of more planes that are just randomly turning up and falling, and we decide to hide in Asda because for some reason it's strong enough to withstand any planes if they fall on it (they don't).

Everyone in the store is listening to the store radio which says that for some reason, any British Airways planes are tumbling out of the sky. For whatever reason, we then decide that we can fly to somewhere safe using a Virgin flight, and so drive to a small airport that now randomly exists at the edge of my town and get on said flight. Everyone thinks it'll be safe, but shortly after take off the plane begins to lose control and spins vertically towards the ground, but the pilot somehow manages to correct the plane and we have a rough but safe landing in a field.

At this point, I "woke" up and began telling my parents about the dream I just had, but as I'm at their place telling them this I'm still actually dreaming. I woke up for real after that and hopefully me writing this on here is reality and not another dream within a dream. XD
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(06-23-2018, 07:30 PM)Mr EliteL Wrote:
I got over the nightmare, after having the same dream but altered slightly. I am chased and hide. I don't go into my room, but stop as I look at my parent's door. Out comes a missile for some reason, but doesn't go for me. Instead, it aims at whatever was chasing me, plus other kids appeared to throw tomatoes at my pursuer. The relief as I woke up, finally free of the nightmare was great.
This dream makes me think of a late game sequence that happens in The Evil Within 2 when Sebastian confronts his nightmares he's been experiencing since the first game. XD

I had a really crazy dream last night. It involved myself, Shira, and my family and we were in my hometown standing at the bus stop at the back of the Asda parking lot (extra detail only for EL's benefit). A plane used for internal flights flies above, and some of us are watching it when it suddenly starts to lose altitude and plummets down into some houses and flats nearby, exploding.

Before we can really react, we notice another plane above that also just suddenly starts falling, spinning over itself vertically until it hits the ground. All of us run across the parking lot out of the way of more planes that are just randomly turning up and falling, and we decide to hide in Asda because for some reason it's strong enough to withstand any planes if they fall on it (they don't).

Everyone in the store is listening to the store radio which says that for some reason, any British Airways planes are tumbling out of the sky. For whatever reason, we then decide that we can fly to somewhere safe using a Virgin flight, and so drive to a small airport that now randomly exists at the edge of my town and get on said flight. Everyone thinks it'll be safe, but shortly after take off the plane begins to lose control and spins vertically towards the ground, but the pilot somehow manages to correct the plane and we have a rough but safe landing in a field.

At this point, I "woke" up and began telling my parents about the dream I just had, but as I'm at their place telling them this I'm still actually dreaming. I woke up for real after that and hopefully me writing this on here is reality and not another dream within a dream. XD
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There was a time in my life (around ten years ago or so) that had me regularly dreaming about going to war on a very horrid place against what I could have sworn were either US Marines or Royal Marines, but that inevitably ended in the same way: with me getting lost and taken prisoner while screaming off the top of my lungs that I hadn't done anything to deserve that.

It was extremely unsettling and I hope I never have it again.
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There was a time in my life (around ten years ago or so) that had me regularly dreaming about going to war on a very horrid place against what I could have sworn were either US Marines or Royal Marines, but that inevitably ended in the same way: with me getting lost and taken prisoner while screaming off the top of my lungs that I hadn't done anything to deserve that.

It was extremely unsettling and I hope I never have it again.
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I kept thinking I was the last to post in here, but obviously not. I have a few, five to be exact, to go through actually. XD Warning: Wall text imminent. Enjoy?

First up some Dodgeball. Aw, I've missed playing dodgeball so I was glad I had one revolving around that. Don't know what was going on before, but two games are played in my dream. One very hazy, all I remember is a game was played. The second, teams were picked, but no one realised one side had much less players on it for some reason. Other people might've joined during play, but neglected the other side. I was on the side with more players on, but I was the first to notice teams were unfair when I saw how many of them were out. I was still in, the game was halted and I elected myself to join the other side, a few more did too, but still wasn't enough. Everyone carried on though, and eventually my new side won. I didn't get knocked out, could've been related to one real life game I had where me and one other on my team survived against odds.

Second was set in my town. I didn't notice at first though, and I was running about a bit. Suddenly I knew I was in some kind of danger, but also a part of some group, or they are about helping. There was a creature loose in the town, and people were advised to stay away or inside. I remained outside, but there was a reason - I was one of the people this creature was chasing. I ran along the main road going through our town (Moony and maybe Shira would know this is the roundabout near Asda, I was going in the direction to Compass Gardens, or rather the turning to where my house eventually is), and hid behind the bushes there. Suddenly I find Miles from Fullmetal Alchemist there, and he's part of the unit that's out to capture hostile animals. The creature that was after me was an angry gorilla, but it was grotesque compared to a standard gorilla. He was on his comms to other people on his team. Apparently I had lead the gorilla near a trap they had set up. I assume they caught it, but I may have woken up before that happened. I hope the other team members were from FMA too. Funny though, because I hadn't looked at anything FMA related before the dream. Just out of nowhere, Miles happened to be the guy I met. XD

Third was like futuristic RPG video game...kind of. Well, not like a technological future exactly, although the armour and weapons had an otherworldly feel to them, but there were a lot of neon and lights, yet dark and mysterious. Man, it's so hard to explain. Terrain was pretty much black, at night, yet there was some lights to highlight objects, people, enemies and such. I'm just going to give up, because some of what does happen is weird. To start, there was a lot of people/players together like a hub before the game, but everyone was trying out their stuff and going on obstacle courses. I was on a tall, long monkey bar frame, plus Lucky Star girls (Konata, Kagami, Tsukasa, Miyuki), Haruhi, Mikuru and Yuki were there. Possibly Tsuruya as well. At times I wasn't there, and I took the viewpoint of them. Although I did do the monkey bars. XD Once completed, they were high-fiving each other.
We got into a party and played the first level of this game. Can't remember who had what exactly now but there was stylish sword, sword & shield, lance, dual wielding weapons, magic staff, magic gloves, bow, plus different armour depending on class. Every class had a means to defend themselves (Tsukasa was a healer I believe, and used a staff, that's the one I do remember). We seemed to be getting along well, often getting cocky and running ahead before everyone or acting silly. Soon however, there was an obvious change in what lied ahead and enemies that appeared. Looked more menacing than before. One of us tried to attack like we had done before, but they were attacked and received a ton of damage, almost getting KO'd. It was a freaking difficulty spike IN THE FIRST LEVEL. The one who was attacked retreated and got healed from two who had healing abilities, while the rest strategised to deal with the new enemy. Eventually it was taken down, but those who fought lost much HP. Konata and Haruhi were more interested at this point though, and insisted on going further. Although everyone actually agreed with them, almost in similar fashion, much to my surprise. I didn't get to see the rest of the level, as I woke up. D=

Fourth, and these two...er three happened last night. This is one I've had similar dreams of before. Possibly once or twice before, but only the premise. Athough not much happens in this. A (mine & Moony's) secondary school class reunion, that takes place in our school/tutor room. I go to the tutor room with the letter or invite I was given. On the desks there are names for people to sit at. Not everyone turns up, as Moony is one of them. Our tutor takes notice of this, and I tell everyone he's in Florida. She expresses with disappointed in that, as well as the others who didn't show up. Josh wasn't either, and there was a nickname I never heard of for him for some reason. I knew the nickname after the dream, but not now. Nothing else happens after that. XD

Fifth dream comes in two parts. Takes place what's meant to be Florida but obviously isn't because I haven't been there yet. Although it's during my two weeks out there which is....very strange indeed. I want to be clear right now, I do not want any of this to happen, nor thought of it, because I was kinda freaked out when I woke up...twice. D= Yet found the funny side of how the places envisioned I'm sure don't exist.

I get a call from Moony urgently asking me to meet him down by the dock. On my way there, I go through an eerie shop right next to this dock. At times I thought objects would move on their own or something looks at me in the corner of my eye. Other things happened, wish I could describe it better, but I've forgotten. Don't take long in there, since I was on my way to meet up with Moony on a balcony, who was very panicked. He tells me he's lost Shira, who had fallen into the sea/river. There was other objects in the water, so something must've happened to cause that. Moony starts saying how could this happen, she could've drowned by now. I've started to panic as well, trying to search with him. We somehow see a Little Mermaid plush floating underwater, and both wishing that was Shira so we could jump in and get her out. After some more panicking, we come to some steps by the side of the river and notice someone lifting themselves out. It's Shira! As Moony and Shira embrace, I suddenly notice "holy crap, where are her clothes?!" and pull out a top that could cover her well I happened to have. Shira said she had to quickly remove clothing so she could swim back, and that we shouldn't have worried so much. She puts on the top with such speed, it tears slightly.

Part two, it's the same area. I'm called to meet Moony and Shira at the eerie shop. Similar odd things happen in the shop, but we barely take notice. We find a section that has frozen items, and both of them grab many frozen items and ornaments to put into a trolley bag we have. One of them was about to put something large in the trolley until the other tells them not to, or we can't fit planks of firewood in there. I wonder what on Earth they are trying to buy.

These two happen within about half an hour or more in real time, as I check my time after both instances, which were just before my alarm (I remember noticing how I have to get up soon, but was in a state I could fall asleep almost instantly). Possibly less because I stop half way through to wake up and fall back sleep into the second.

That was one long ass post, and glad it's done. Dreams, continue to be the fun weird place I find myself in unconsciously. =3
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I kept thinking I was the last to post in here, but obviously not. I have a few, five to be exact, to go through actually. XD Warning: Wall text imminent. Enjoy?

First up some Dodgeball. Aw, I've missed playing dodgeball so I was glad I had one revolving around that. Don't know what was going on before, but two games are played in my dream. One very hazy, all I remember is a game was played. The second, teams were picked, but no one realised one side had much less players on it for some reason. Other people might've joined during play, but neglected the other side. I was on the side with more players on, but I was the first to notice teams were unfair when I saw how many of them were out. I was still in, the game was halted and I elected myself to join the other side, a few more did too, but still wasn't enough. Everyone carried on though, and eventually my new side won. I didn't get knocked out, could've been related to one real life game I had where me and one other on my team survived against odds.

Second was set in my town. I didn't notice at first though, and I was running about a bit. Suddenly I knew I was in some kind of danger, but also a part of some group, or they are about helping. There was a creature loose in the town, and people were advised to stay away or inside. I remained outside, but there was a reason - I was one of the people this creature was chasing. I ran along the main road going through our town (Moony and maybe Shira would know this is the roundabout near Asda, I was going in the direction to Compass Gardens, or rather the turning to where my house eventually is), and hid behind the bushes there. Suddenly I find Miles from Fullmetal Alchemist there, and he's part of the unit that's out to capture hostile animals. The creature that was after me was an angry gorilla, but it was grotesque compared to a standard gorilla. He was on his comms to other people on his team. Apparently I had lead the gorilla near a trap they had set up. I assume they caught it, but I may have woken up before that happened. I hope the other team members were from FMA too. Funny though, because I hadn't looked at anything FMA related before the dream. Just out of nowhere, Miles happened to be the guy I met. XD

Third was like futuristic RPG video game...kind of. Well, not like a technological future exactly, although the armour and weapons had an otherworldly feel to them, but there were a lot of neon and lights, yet dark and mysterious. Man, it's so hard to explain. Terrain was pretty much black, at night, yet there was some lights to highlight objects, people, enemies and such. I'm just going to give up, because some of what does happen is weird. To start, there was a lot of people/players together like a hub before the game, but everyone was trying out their stuff and going on obstacle courses. I was on a tall, long monkey bar frame, plus Lucky Star girls (Konata, Kagami, Tsukasa, Miyuki), Haruhi, Mikuru and Yuki were there. Possibly Tsuruya as well. At times I wasn't there, and I took the viewpoint of them. Although I did do the monkey bars. XD Once completed, they were high-fiving each other.
We got into a party and played the first level of this game. Can't remember who had what exactly now but there was stylish sword, sword & shield, lance, dual wielding weapons, magic staff, magic gloves, bow, plus different armour depending on class. Every class had a means to defend themselves (Tsukasa was a healer I believe, and used a staff, that's the one I do remember). We seemed to be getting along well, often getting cocky and running ahead before everyone or acting silly. Soon however, there was an obvious change in what lied ahead and enemies that appeared. Looked more menacing than before. One of us tried to attack like we had done before, but they were attacked and received a ton of damage, almost getting KO'd. It was a freaking difficulty spike IN THE FIRST LEVEL. The one who was attacked retreated and got healed from two who had healing abilities, while the rest strategised to deal with the new enemy. Eventually it was taken down, but those who fought lost much HP. Konata and Haruhi were more interested at this point though, and insisted on going further. Although everyone actually agreed with them, almost in similar fashion, much to my surprise. I didn't get to see the rest of the level, as I woke up. D=

Fourth, and these two...er three happened last night. This is one I've had similar dreams of before. Possibly once or twice before, but only the premise. Athough not much happens in this. A (mine & Moony's) secondary school class reunion, that takes place in our school/tutor room. I go to the tutor room with the letter or invite I was given. On the desks there are names for people to sit at. Not everyone turns up, as Moony is one of them. Our tutor takes notice of this, and I tell everyone he's in Florida. She expresses with disappointed in that, as well as the others who didn't show up. Josh wasn't either, and there was a nickname I never heard of for him for some reason. I knew the nickname after the dream, but not now. Nothing else happens after that. XD

Fifth dream comes in two parts. Takes place what's meant to be Florida but obviously isn't because I haven't been there yet. Although it's during my two weeks out there which is....very strange indeed. I want to be clear right now, I do not want any of this to happen, nor thought of it, because I was kinda freaked out when I woke up...twice. D= Yet found the funny side of how the places envisioned I'm sure don't exist.

I get a call from Moony urgently asking me to meet him down by the dock. On my way there, I go through an eerie shop right next to this dock. At times I thought objects would move on their own or something looks at me in the corner of my eye. Other things happened, wish I could describe it better, but I've forgotten. Don't take long in there, since I was on my way to meet up with Moony on a balcony, who was very panicked. He tells me he's lost Shira, who had fallen into the sea/river. There was other objects in the water, so something must've happened to cause that. Moony starts saying how could this happen, she could've drowned by now. I've started to panic as well, trying to search with him. We somehow see a Little Mermaid plush floating underwater, and both wishing that was Shira so we could jump in and get her out. After some more panicking, we come to some steps by the side of the river and notice someone lifting themselves out. It's Shira! As Moony and Shira embrace, I suddenly notice "holy crap, where are her clothes?!" and pull out a top that could cover her well I happened to have. Shira said she had to quickly remove clothing so she could swim back, and that we shouldn't have worried so much. She puts on the top with such speed, it tears slightly.

Part two, it's the same area. I'm called to meet Moony and Shira at the eerie shop. Similar odd things happen in the shop, but we barely take notice. We find a section that has frozen items, and both of them grab many frozen items and ornaments to put into a trolley bag we have. One of them was about to put something large in the trolley until the other tells them not to, or we can't fit planks of firewood in there. I wonder what on Earth they are trying to buy.

These two happen within about half an hour or more in real time, as I check my time after both instances, which were just before my alarm (I remember noticing how I have to get up soon, but was in a state I could fall asleep almost instantly). Possibly less because I stop half way through to wake up and fall back sleep into the second.

That was one long ass post, and glad it's done. Dreams, continue to be the fun weird place I find myself in unconsciously. =3
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A recent dream I had, is that I woke up & went onto the support forum in my dream & in my dream it was still zetabaords (not tat as it is now) . While posting & responding to stuff, I go to anther thread to read something someone posted not even 5 minutes ago, & while reading I click to the main section to see I have a PM from Brandon. Curious I open it to read him GIVING ME the zb's code on google drive. I almost fell over, cause wtf was I going to do with it? I'm no web developer. So in my dream I discreetly approach some one on the support forum via discord & ask them what I should do with the code I was given, they ask me if I can hand it over & I can't because in the PM sent, was an agreement that I couldn't allow the code 'out' until sometime in 2020, because that's when the code would be 'free to use'. It was just weird to me, because I feel that if something that important just fell in my lap, I'd want to reach out to those in the community who'd want to salvage zetaboards, at the very least. But, alas it was only a dream.
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A recent dream I had, is that I woke up & went onto the support forum in my dream & in my dream it was still zetabaords (not tat as it is now) . While posting & responding to stuff, I go to anther thread to read something someone posted not even 5 minutes ago, & while reading I click to the main section to see I have a PM from Brandon. Curious I open it to read him GIVING ME the zb's code on google drive. I almost fell over, cause wtf was I going to do with it? I'm no web developer. So in my dream I discreetly approach some one on the support forum via discord & ask them what I should do with the code I was given, they ask me if I can hand it over & I can't because in the PM sent, was an agreement that I couldn't allow the code 'out' until sometime in 2020, because that's when the code would be 'free to use'. It was just weird to me, because I feel that if something that important just fell in my lap, I'd want to reach out to those in the community who'd want to salvage zetaboards, at the very least. But, alas it was only a dream.
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Not a lawyer to your dream self:
Sooo you know those email signatures that said "This information may be confidential if sent in error please delete the email"
Pure bullshit not based on any legal standing. Same with "Oh here is this thing! But here are the terms! (after you received it or before you consented or not to it)
Dream Brandon would be SOL if dream you released the code since you never agreed to said terms before he gave you position of it Whistle
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Not a lawyer to your dream self:
Sooo you know those email signatures that said "This information may be confidential if sent in error please delete the email"
Pure bullshit not based on any legal standing. Same with "Oh here is this thing! But here are the terms! (after you received it or before you consented or not to it)
Dream Brandon would be SOL if dream you released the code since you never agreed to said terms before he gave you position of it Whistle
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