Disney/Pixar Movies

[Moonface]

Yeah, the trailer definitely gives a lot of stuff. Like I'd rather the dragon be kept entirely hidden away so no one knows what it's like until they see the movie. At most do a shadow shot of it but nothing else. Although even if they did do that, there's still a lot that would be given away like how everyone is trying to find this dragon for either good or bad. I think just introducing Raya and giving us her purpose with little else would have been enough. Don't even give the motive for it, maybe don't even say she's looking for a dragon. Definitely don't show every single person she meets and then hand us the answer of whether that person is with her or against her, because now we know exactly who is who unless one of them is going to switch sides.

To trim that trailer, cut that whole baby part at the start out. Just get right in at when she catches you up, and when the big guy who sounds like he VA'd a Mulan character appears, just have him say nothing and loom through the doorway and cut it there. Maybe even bring the dialogue forward of "We're not the only ones looking" so we don't know who is looking for good and bad reasons, and if we see multiple people looking who are not shown together then we wonder why are so many parties interested. It doesn't turn into Raya's Gang vs. Bad Gang and keeps an intrigue going for the movie experience. Cut out all the dragon footage except maybe for the shadow we see as it gets summoned, but keep the dialogue of the world being broken that involves the dragon because no one would know it's the dragon responding.

If I was able to and into doing it I'd love to recut that trailer to trim the excess context and see how much better it is in action. The trailer that exists feels like it's more for when the movie is already out and you want to flog some DVD's or whatever.

[Mr EliteL]

I dislike those kin of trailers too, a bit too much or way too much in that. Also that baby will become a meme or something...*sigh*.
Really hoping there's more to it, I would like to watch sooner if the film does well. If not or there are reviews saying the trailer gave too much away, then I'll leave it for much later or never.

[Moonface]

I wonder if they just showed a lot to try and make it more convincing for people to pay for it on Disney+. Maybe they think that being vague will make parents and kids less likely to want to buy in because they don't know exactly what type of movie they're getting or something.

[Moonface]

Man, it sure is something to see the first post in this thread be about Toy Story 4 and how different my views on it were back then before it released. 

Anyway, much like Pixar can't let Toy Story rest I'm not gonna let this thread rest because yes, they have announced they're doing a fifth Toy Story movie.

The premise is about the toys coming up against electronics (I guess kids being more into tech now since electronics themselves already existed when the other movies were made) but the concept art that was shown for it reveals that Woody is just back with the rest of the cast so fuck the fourth movie I guess?

Pixar should've left this series alone after the third movie or at least done more stories as spin-offs rather than movie sequels. I only ended up making this post because I just couldn't resist voicing my displeasure over this announcement.

In other Disney news (because they held their D23 event which is where this is all coming from) there's gonna be a Frozen 3 (yippee...), Zootopia 2, and a live action Lilo & Stitch movie (this image is cursed). There was a lot of other movies and shows announced too that are all original stuff but those were the most eye catching to me based purely off of reading a text list of the announcements. Can't say I care enough to go look for any trailers for the actual new stuff if any are out there.

[Mr EliteL]

I don't hate Toy Story 4 though because they made Bo Peep come back, who I really missed, plus how it ended was fine to me. However I do still wish TS3 should've been the final movie. Just ugh not looking forward to a 5th film.

Not seen Frozen 2 nor do I want to so a third movie, plus Lilo & Stitch I never bothered with so I don't care about either of them announcements.

[Moonface]

I don't hate Toy Story 4 though because they made Bo Peep come back, who I really missed, plus how it ended was fine to me. However I do still wish TS3 should've been the final movie. Just ugh not looking forward to a 5th film.

Oh for sure I think it was a good idea to put focus on a character who just disappeared from the franchise that was probably the most memorable of those who weren't present for TS3. I guess I'm just iffy about how TS3 is about growing up and moving on, but then the story just keeps going? I haven't seen TS4 so correct whatever I'm wrong about here because I can only go off the plot synopsis, but Bonnie clearly takes a liking to Woody in TS3 yet it seems in TS4 she doesn't give a shit about him all of a sudden, and he takes issue with that yet the whole plot of TS1 was about Woody struggling with not always being the center of attention and coming to terms with it, so on paper it comes off as just throwing a lot of stuff out the window.


I'm watching Trihex right now and I don't know what prompted it but he had this video up comparing the stampede scenes from animated and live action versions of The Lion King, and oof the live action one is such a downgrade:



I'll give it credit for visual fidelity, but that's all it has going for it. It's like all those "Mario in Unreal Engine" videos that exist where art style just dies except if it was Nintendo themselves doing it.

[ShiraNoMai]

It was strange seeing a near shot-for-shot essentially "redo" of the original scene, but that just highlighted all the parts that were actually minor and different, such as the moment Scar let's Mufasa go. It made logical sense to just simply let go after impaling his paws with his claws, but they oddly decided they were going to add in a cat classic "slap" across the bonce after that in the live action??? I guess you could argue that Mufasa was still able to hang on after the clawing and his subsequent smacking is what knocked him off, but it comes off to me that Mufasa already let go and was suspended in the air temporarily while Scar jumped off him and slapped him in this oddly unnatural way.

[Moonface]

I forget how but I got into a lengthy chat with @ShiraNoMai this morning about Disney movies, and during it she was looking up the novel that The Fox and the Hound was adapted from, and holy shit if you thought that the Disney movie was rather grim and depressing from its second act onwards, the novel makes it seem like a Disney Jr. movie by comparison:

• Whereas in the movie it only suffers a broken leg, in the novel the dog that chases Tod onto the train tracks is killed by the oncoming train.
  
• Tod has a litter of kits that are subsequently found and gassed to death by Copper's owner.
  
• The mother of that litter with is later captured in a bear trap and killed.
  
• Tod has another litter of kits with a new mate, and all but Tod are killed by Copper's owner when it lures them out with animal sounds to shoot them.
  
• Years later, a rabies outbreak among the foxes leads Copper's owner and a large number of other hunters to walk into the woods and shoot any fox they come across.
  
• One morning, Copper catches Tod's scent and relentlessly pursues him for 24 hours, ending only when Tod drops dead of exhaustion and Copper collapses on top of his corpse, close to death himself.
  
• Copper's master nurses him back to health, but with nothing left to do except drinking and growing increasingly older, he ultimately decides to agree to move into a nursing home. However, dogs are not allowed, so before leaving he takes Copper outside, bringing his shotgun with him.
  

Like... just even writing that out at the end was actually hard because it's just so utterly bleak. I can't even fathom how Disney reads a book like that and thinks "We should totally adapt this into an animated movie for families". I know a lot of the novels Disney adapted are darker than the movies produced from them, but I wouldn't expect any of them to have been like this.

[Kyng]

I forget how but I got into a lengthy chat with @ShiraNoMai this morning about Disney movies, and during it she was looking up the novel that The Fox and the Hound was adapted from, and holy shit if you thought that the Disney movie was rather grim and depressing from its second act onwards, the novel makes it seem like a Disney Jr. movie by comparison:

• Whereas in the movie it only suffers a broken leg, in the novel the dog that chases Tod onto the train tracks is killed by the oncoming train.
  
• Tod has a litter of kits that are subsequently found and gassed to death by Copper's owner.
  
• The mother of that litter with is later captured in a bear trap and killed.
  
• Tod has another litter of kits with a new mate, and all but Tod are killed by Copper's owner when it lures them out with animal sounds to shoot them.
  
• Years later, a rabies outbreak among the foxes leads Copper's owner and a large number of other hunters to walk into the woods and shoot any fox they come across.
  
• One morning, Copper catches Tod's scent and relentlessly pursues him for 24 hours, ending only when Tod drops dead of exhaustion and Copper collapses on top of his corpse, close to death himself.
  
• Copper's master nurses him back to health, but with nothing left to do except drinking and growing increasingly older, he ultimately decides to agree to move into a nursing home. However, dogs are not allowed, so before leaving he takes Copper outside, bringing his shotgun with him.
  

Like... just even writing that out at the end was actually hard because it's just so utterly bleak. I can't even fathom how Disney reads a book like that and thinks "We should totally adapt this into an animated movie for families". I know a lot of the novels Disney adapted are darker than the movies produced from them, but I wouldn't expect any of them to have been like this.

Yikes :O . 

Makes me wonder whether Disney might adapt Game of Thrones into an animated family film (at some point in the distant future, when it's out of copyright). Because this is more or less on that level!

[Moonface]

Yikes :O . 

Makes me wonder whether Disney might adapt Game of Thrones into an animated family film (at some point in the distant future, when it's out of copyright). Because this is more or less on that level!

GoT is that level of bleak too? I've heard people talk of characters dying left and right in it but never in a manner that makes the books/show sound bleak and just leaving you feeling empty after consuming it.

[Maniakkid25]

Yeah, Disney is well known for taking a source material, and making it slightly brighter in terms of mood? They like to sanitize works, is what I'm trying to say. If you think those are bad, try reading any of the original fairy tales that their movies are based on. You will get some HORRIFYING shit as a result! Hans Christian Andersen, Charles Perrault, Brothers Grimm (OH GOD, BROTHERS GRIMM); Fairy tales are not happy ending incarnate, back in the day! So it does not shock me at all that the Fox and the Hound's source material is that dark; I've read the Red Shoes. Nothing like a child getting her legs cut off to signify a heartfelt fairy tale!

[Moonface]

I know somewhat of Brothers Grimm and that Disney have adapted a number of their stories, but I always thought they were dark but not necessarily dreary (I'll emphasize this is just my assumption of them, and I expect it to be wildly incorrect). I am tempted to go looking up each novel Disney based a movie on to see how it compares, but I am a little hesitant just because I don't want to end up on a misery binge if I manage to stumble onto multiple novels that have a plot summary as difficult to stomach as the Fox and the Hound one.

Haven't heard of Red Shoes so looked it up, and at least the plot summary of it isn't as hard to stomach as FatH. It's dark for sure, but I at least didn't feel depressed after reading the summary. Although if I had, seeing that a Dutch theme park adapted it into a ride would've lifted my mood a little just for how funny it is to see a story about a girl asking for her feet to be cut off is a theme park ride.

[Maniakkid25]

Ah, depressing is the problem. Well, the Little Mermaid immediately comes to mind in terms of that; not only does the titular mermaid not get the guy, she disappears into sea foam, never to be seen again. I'm sure there are others, but I'm not particularly well versed in Disney movies and their origins. I was originally gonna mention Watership Down, but that's not a Disney movie, so that doesn't count, and neither do classics like Secrets of Nimh and An American Tale, so it would be disingenuous of me to argue they add on to the Disney heap.