General Game Chat

[ShiraNoMai]

It also occurred to me that this game came out the year I graduated high school, which was 10 years ago. When they announced it, my immediate thought was "has it been that long to warrant such an update?" then... yeah.

I'm more shocked that Nintendo hasn't ported over their Twilight Princess and Wind Waker remasters from Wii U onto Switch yet. They were quick to put over DKC Tropical Freeze, but for some reason are hesitant on the Zelda titles. People were convinced they were gonna release a three-some pack, with the Skyward Sword being the latest addition to the pack that would make it "new", and then they just... didn't. 

[Moonface]

Nintendo should really bring over anything left on Wii U that doesn't deserve to be kept stuck on it, like WWHD and TPHD. The only changes they'll need to make are some of the controls because visually the games are already updated, so it's even easier money than SS.

[Monocle]

True. I guess my point should've really been more that last gen promoted pumping out remasters mostly through necessity, and knowing how much money it made those publishers they are just going to keep doing it. Ghost does at least let you buy the DC stuff without a new copy though; I think it's like $20 or something.

yeah but on platforms where it isn't a necessity, like PC or Xbox, they commented to do it. bringing older games to newer generations in a half ass way is just irritating. 

It also occurred to me that this game came out the year I graduated high school, which was 10 years ago. When they announced it, my immediate thought was "has it been that long to warrant such an update?" then... yeah.

I'm more shocked that Nintendo hasn't ported over their Twilight Princess and Wind Waker remasters from Wii U onto Switch yet. They were quick to put over DKC Tropical Freeze, but for some reason are hesitant on the Zelda titles. People were convinced they were gonna release a three-some pack, with the Skyward Sword being the latest addition to the pack that would make it "new", and then they just... didn't. 

yeah well nintendo does whatever they want with their IPs. BotW is years old now. what's the retail price? still $59.99. as much as I love them and I know they're family friendly and shit, they definitely are some of the greediest around. Honestly, if SS doesn't tie into BotW2 with them floating islands, I'd be fucking shocked

Nintendo should really bring over anything left on Wii U that doesn't deserve to be kept stuck on it, like WWHD and TPHD. The only changes they'll need to make are some of the controls because visually the games are already updated, so it's even easier money than SS.

yeah I really don't get that. I'd get WWHD for sure. I never had a Wii U. Plus it would actually run way better on switch anyway. Kinda want to boot up Cemu and play it soon

[Dragon Lord]

yeah, I've known Gary for over a decade. we literally go from him shitting on my opinion to talking about stuff we both like without skipping a beat. it never bothered me then and it definitely doesn't bother me now. negative opinions about my likes or myself actually haven't ever bothered me. I'm way too positive and have way too much self esteem to give a shit. everyone's entitled to their opinion and they're entitled to express it just like in entitled to dismiss it and give zero fucks about it.

honestly, I still have my Wii so I have no desire to buy the HD version. Kinda sick of getting these remasters already. not just Zelda, I mean in general. Like I love Ghost of Tsushima but it didn't need an entirely new release for the directors cut. Just send it a damn dlc with all of it. too many publishers are so willing to do this now.

You don't need to lie. You can tell them that you crave abuse~ Especially when I step on you and call you an insignificant worm. It doesn't need to be kept a secret.

Nintendo not porting WW HD to the Switch yet is a crime against gamers and Nintendo should feel bad. Especially when they pick to port a shitty LoZ game like Skyward Sword instead.

But it is Nintendo so you can't really expect them to make good decisions most of the time. Maybe once they make three or four more stupid decisions, they'll do something smart. We're up to two horrible decisions (Skyward Sword port and OLED model having no actual improvements), so we're half-way to a good decision!

[Moonface]

Just found out that a game I play is closing down in three months and after that you can't play anymore. Shame because I liked the game and now don't know if I can care to keep playing until the end date.

[Karo]

What game is that Moony?

[Moonface]

What game is that Moony?

Dr. Mario World. I get that it's because the player count has never been very high for the game and therefore the gacha stuff probably doesn't make much money as a result, but it's so stupid that the single player content is also going to be killed off because it's a cloud based game. I'd rather Nintendo just disable online components and let everyone play the game offline.

[Monocle]

Maaaan. I've been on a huge retro kick lately. Some of it is because fan translations that I couldn't play before I got the pc, like Tales of Destiny DC, and others are because emulation lets you improve the resolution of games by such a huge amount. It's actually really impressive.



Here's a comparison:

Native PS2 Resolution

5k internal resolution

 

yeah it's still a ps2 game but it looks way better than playing it at native on a 4k display

[Maniakkid25]

It's just a shame that PS2 is meant to display at 4:3, not 16:9, so you've stretched the width of all the sprites. Legit, though, aside from a lack of blur, I literally notice no difference. Am I missing something, or...

Also, DDS is awesome; great choice of game.

[Monocle]

It's just a shame that PS2 is meant to display at 4:3, not 16:9, so you've stretched the width of all the sprites. Legit, though, aside from a lack of blur, I literally notice no difference. Am I missing something, or...

Also, DDS is awesome; great choice of game.

if you click the actual images, it's more noticeable. I mean I'm on my phone so everything gets shrunk lol. It's just the blurriness and shit from native is completely gone with the increased resolution.

I'll find a better example when I'm on the computer again.

and yeah I don't know how to turn off the wide-screen stretching. I don't have the wide-screen patches options on sooooo no idea why it's doing that

[Maniakkid25]

You can just, you know, keep it windowed in an approximate 4:3 window. I'd need to pull out my PCSX2 again, but I'm sure there's a setting to keep native resolution buried in the options.

[Monocle]

let's try this again with the image from DDS lmao at 4:3! yaaaaay

Native PS2 Resolution aka 480p

5k internal resolution with 16x AA

EDIT: aside from blur, the AA smooths things so that it just looks better all around. It's not like it has new models or new textures. That would be a mod, like the Ocarina of Time 3D HD mod that i've been playing. now THAT is impressive.

and yeah i fucking love DDS and SMT in general. I personally think the gameplay is better than Nocturne, except for actually fighting Hitoshura or Demi-fiend. whatever he's actually called

[Moonface]

So is there anything actually being changed in the game for those higher resolutions, or is it just able to look that good by the way the emulator renders the visuals/enhances them? I just noticed you mention there's not new models/textures but with how good it looks, I can't believe that it's the same game with just visual settings improving it.

[Maniakkid25]

Yeah, that's just the emulator tools. See, on an actual PS2, it's strength is polygon generation, but put it through any anti-aliasing or texture filtering, and it just freaks the hell out, which means jagged edges are very common. But emulators don't give a crap about what the hardware can handle, which means it can just throw whatever it wants at the generated image as long as the program can take it. So, you can get some pretty solid images this way, but they ain't what the original hardware can do.

[Moonface]

Would that be why playing a PS2 game on PS4 looks really good? I remember playing Ape Escape 2 and the image quality was really good, but I don't think anything was actually changed in the game for the PS4 version and the website for it says it just uses 1080p up-scaling, which I assume is similar to what the emulators do for PS2 games?