Persona (Series) | Persona 4 Remake Revealed

[Moonface]

I'm trying to wrap my head around this reasoning given in a recent interview about why The Answer ended up being DLC:

• Wada reiterates that The Answer was originally considered at the start of development, but dropped saying "it was quite difficult to get off the ground compared to the main project".
  
• The Answer was only approved after P3R was officially revealed (which would have been around June 2023), while the main game was still in development.
  
• The main team didn't have time to work on The Answer DLC, so Yamaguchi is not the director for it. Hashizume, battle planner for games like TMS and Soul Hackers 2, is the director for this DLC. This is apparently very rare in Atlus and was only considered because it was "a dire need" according to Wada.
  

I understand dropping it because of development difficulties alongside the base game, but what I can't understand is why the DLC was only approved to be given the resources to be made after P3R was revealed. Why did they need to wait until after the reveal to get approval when the game is both developed and published by Atlus? It's not like they had to get approval from a third party publisher and even then, it isn't like this game was a remake of a long dormant franchise where the publisher may be wary of giving it too many resources. Furthermore, let's assume they didn't run into difficulties getting the DLC off the ground and managed to include it with P3R at launch; the price of the game would have probably been the same.

[Maniakkid25]

Atlus is owned by Sega, so technically even self-published titles have to go up that chain, potentially, and Sega has done some silly s*** over the years. But yeah, I'm pissed it wasn't part of launch, and I'm secondly pissed that I have to wait until SEPTEMBER to get The Ending! They'll probably charge 30 bucks for it, too; just watch. I'm starting to be really glad I hard passed on this version.

[Moonface]

Atlus is owned by Sega, so technically even self-published titles have to go up that chain, potentially, and Sega has done some silly s*** over the years. But yeah, I'm pissed it wasn't part of launch, and I'm secondly pissed that I have to wait until SEPTEMBER to get The Ending! They'll probably charge 30 bucks for it, too; just watch. I'm starting to be really glad I hard passed on this version.

Ah, I forgot about that. I just looked up P3R on Wikipedia to see who the developer and publisher was and didn't consider anything higher in the chain when I saw the same names on both.
Also, assuming The Ending and The Answer are one and the same (I tried using Google to find out but looking up "persona 3 the ending" just gives me stuff about any ending for that game lol) then it costs $34.99 (the price of the P3R Expansion Pass). Looking back at the contents of the EP it's clear most of the price is for Wave 3 because nothing about the first two waves even warrants more than $10.

[Maniakkid25]

Sorry, confusion. I was just calling it "The Ending" because it seemed like a proper title for it. Yeah, I class The Answer as the ending of P3. And I undershot the price tag, what a shock. I'm sorry, but this is such a raw deal for anyone who is a fan of the original game.

[Dragon Lord]

Atlus is owned by Sega, so technically even self-published titles have to go up that chain, potentially, and Sega has done some silly s*** over the years. But yeah, I'm pissed it wasn't part of launch, and I'm secondly pissed that I have to wait until SEPTEMBER to get The Ending! They'll probably charge 30 bucks for it, too; just watch. I'm starting to be really glad I hard passed on this version.

Ah, I forgot about that. I just looked up P3R on Wikipedia to see who the developer and publisher was and didn't consider anything higher in the chain when I saw the same names on both.
Also, assuming The Ending and The Answer are one and the same (I tried using Google to find out but looking up "persona 3 the ending" just gives me stuff about any ending for that game lol) then it costs $34.99 (the price of the P3R Expansion Pass). Looking back at the contents of the EP it's clear most of the price is for Wave 3 because nothing about the first two waves even warrants more than $10.

Yeah, this is the thing that is most wild about it. You have to buy the entire expansion pass to get The Answer, bringing the total to make the game "complete" up to $105 + tax (depending on where you live).

Now I'm just waiting for them to announce Female MC/P3P content as another $50+ paid DLC.

[Moonface]

Now I'm just waiting for them to announce Female MC/P3P content as another $50+ paid DLC.

Judging by the developer comments saying that it's too much time/effort to do a female protagonist for P3R, I won't be surprised to see Atlus make it an exclusive for a P3R re-release at some point to try and encourage double-dipping. Thinking of that term now, I bet that's why The Answer is tied into such an expensive DLC; in the past you'd have to buy another copy of the game to get that but because they can do it as a DLC add-on to the base game with digital downloads they're just shifting the price over to the DLC instead to minimize the revenue loss or something.

[Moonface]

Persona 3: Aigis The First Mission Announced for G-Mode+ Archives Release
G-Mode has announced that they will be releasing Persona 3: Aigis The First Mission as part of their G-Mode+ Archives collection. The game will be released on Steam and Nintendo Switch in Japanese, but no release date has been given yet. Aigis The First Mission was originally released for Japanese phones in 2007 and serves as a prequel to Persona 3.



Steam Page: https://store.steampowered.com/app/28501...T_MISSION/

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If I'm getting this right, this game has never seen a release outside of Japan and was probably a bastard to get a hold of considering it was a phone game released in 2007. I'm not sure why they'd bother to release an untranslated game onto the Switch when it's going to be far better for people to buy the Steam version and grab the inevitable translation mod, but at least it's another platform to help preserve the game.

[Moonface]

Persona 4 Revival | Reveal Trailer
A remake of Persona 4 has been revealed at today's Xbox Games Showcase presentation:

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I know nothing about Persona really, so for anyone who does, is there anything about P4 you hope gets improved/changed with this remake?

[Maniakkid25]

As I mention in the showcase thread, I think that this remake makes no sense to exist. It's just weird that they decided to do this.

If they change anything, I hope its the early game difficulty. Persona 4 has really hard bosses to start with, to the point that they had to ADD a weakness to one of them in Golden. I know SMT games are hard, but I think they could do with toning it down just a little bit.

[Moonface]

Bringing this here because it just makes sense... 

I don't understand the point of a Persona 4 remake. With Persona 3, that was understandable: P3P doesn't have any cutscenes (or the ending -- yes, I will always refer to The Answer as the ending), playing more like a visual novel, and FES was a nightmare of spaghetti code that made it effectively impossible to port, so they remade it. But this is... confusing. We've got Persona 4 Golden ported to PC and modern consoles. Why are we remaking it? Why not spend that time making Persona 6, instead?

I would say it's an easy way for Atlus to make money off of P4 again, but I didn't know it isn't like P3 where the content was never fully combined until P3R was made. I imagine Atlus are going to have to add a lot of new content to P4R to encourage people to buy that over P4G, especially when I expect P4R to be $70 and wouldn't be surprised for Atlus to try and shoot for $80. I think I recall Atlus saying that P3R was an opportunity for new fans to get into the series, but any new fans that game did make probably bought or would buy P4G.

[Maniakkid25]

Thank you for quoting that post for me; I didn't wanna quote a post I had made literally 4 minutes before the one I made in this topic. A friend of mine commented about the P4 Anime when I brought it to their attention, and I had to tell them that anime was nearly 15 years old at that point, so no matter how you slice it, Sega is making a baffling decision by having Atlus remake this game.

Personally, I'd rather see them remake Persona 2 a second time, and actually release both games on the same platform for non-Japanese audiences! Because we still don't have a complete duology of Persona 2 on the same platform! We have Eternal Punishment on the PSX, and Innocent Sin on the PSP. WTF, Atlus?!

[Moonface]

Thank you for quoting that post for me; I didn't wanna quote a post I had made literally 4 minutes before the one I made in this topic. A friend of mine commented about the P4 Anime when I brought it to their attention, and I had to tell them that anime was nearly 15 years old at that point, so no matter how you slice it, Sega is making a baffling decision by having Atlus remake this game.

I didn't even know Persona had an anime ever, so unless the events of it are fully put into P4R I'd wonder how much of it could be used and not be missing context for the people who didn't watch the anime.

Personally, I'd rather see them remake Persona 2 a second time, and actually release both games on the same platform for non-Japanese audiences! Because we still don't have a complete duology of Persona 2 on the same platform! We have Eternal Punishment on the PSX, and Innocent Sin on the PSP. WTF, Atlus?!

Hopefully they decide to tackle the older games after this one, unless they just opt to not do anymore remakes. There's no way that can do a remake of P5, it's nowhere near old enough to warrant such a thing.

[Maniakkid25]

The Anime was just a rehash of events in the game; it didn't really add anything new to the table. Don't get me wrong; it's good. You just aren't missing anything from the story if you haven't watched it, but played the game.

[Moonface]

Dang, so it doesn't surprise me given how the trailer was, but a Sega fiscal report indicates that Persona 4 Revival won't release until after at least April 2026. I guess it isn't that far out but I know there were leaks for P4R so I'm wondering if that trailer was put out in response to that and if the announcement would've come later instead of when it did.